Joe Jukic Interviews Ellie Goulding

Joe: Ellie, whenever people talk about 9/11, there are still so many unanswered questions and competing theories. Some people see conspiracies, while others accept the findings of the official investigations. Why do you think the event still sparks so much debate?

Ellie Goulding: I think it’s because it changed the world so profoundly. When something so tragic happens, people naturally search for explanations that make sense to them. It’s important to ask questions, but it’s just as important to separate evidence from speculation and to remember the human cost of that day.

Joe: When I think about it, I’m reminded of a passage from Isaiah. It says:

“The Lord of hosts has a day against all that is proud and lofty… and against all the lofty towers… Then the haughtiness of man shall be brought low.” (Isaiah 2:12–18, paraphrased)

Some people also point to Isaiah 30:25, which speaks of “the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.” They see those verses as symbolic of moments when pride gives way to tragedy and a call to humility.

Ellie: Those are powerful images, but I would be careful not to claim they predict any specific modern event. Ancient prophetic writings have been interpreted in many different ways throughout history. For me, they’re a reminder of our shared humanity and how fragile life can be.

Joe: So rather than trying to prove a prophecy about one event, you see it as a broader lesson?

Ellie: Exactly. Whatever someone’s beliefs about history or prophecy, I hope we can agree that 9/11 was a terrible loss of life. If there’s a lesson to take forward, it’s to seek truth responsibly, treat one another with compassion, and work toward a more peaceful world.

Joe: Ellie, look around. The Earth is starting to cook like a Thanksgiving turkey. The situation is critical. We can’t keep pretending nature has an unlimited recovery time.

Ellie: So what do we do, Joe?

Joe: We let the plants grow now. No more endless lawnmowing. We turned too much of the planet into green carpets that need constant cutting, watering, and chemicals. It’s time to let nature breathe again.

Ellie: You mean rewilding?

Joe: Exactly. We must rewild now. Let the wildflowers return. Let the insects come back. Let forests reclaim spaces where they belong. Every patch of land can become a little sanctuary.

Ellie: A different way of thinking about our relationship with the Earth.

Joe: Yes. We have to stop treating nature like a decoration and start treating it like family. The plants are not our enemies. They are the lungs of the planet. Give them room, and they will help heal the world.

Ellie: Maybe the future is not about controlling nature, but working with it.

Joe: That’s the lesson. The Earth is sending us a warning. The answer is simple: less destruction, more growth. Less mowing, more sowing. Less concrete, more life. Let the Earth become a garden again.